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and this is insulting to them and all of the hard work they've put in over the years. ...so my point is simple. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. In gym class it was always a 10min test.

You can sign in to vote the answer. Am I going to break any records? https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/the-8-minute-mile-standard#fb-social-comments. Do you know of any runners who can't run anymore?

This article has definitely floated around here before and it's crap. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If what you say was true the fastest 100 mile racers would run 8 minute miles interspersed with walking, but they don't. I agree 100% with what you said. The following table shows how fast, in minutes and seconds, male and female runners have to run 1 mile to be in the top 1% and top 50% of their … The reason behind this is that bio-mechanics improve greatly as we increase our pace. Almost all the runners I see with great form are going faster than 8:00. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser.

Needless to say, this flies in the face of the accepted wisdom here, and also pretty much everywhere else I've seen. Each mile makes the next one easier, each victory lends itself to the next but momentum doesn't start until you do. It's just kind of silly.

It was crap when it got posted a couple months back, and its crap now. Instead I think promoting good form and getting in touch with your body to take good care of it is better than going for some number.

EDIT - took out a cuss bc I know the mods don't like it when I swear at people here. By no means do I say this with any implications to runners who go slower...but from a biomechanics perspective, agree with the 8:00 rule (but would say 8:30 is more reasonable). Many 16 year old girls, who aren't in shape can run 7 minute miles. What is the longest running race distance? I ran mine in 7:01 barely training in gym class and told I was pretty fast, I can't run it that fast anymore but in school I was very fast.

For example, if you can run 2 miles in 18 minutes, look for limiting factors, work on speed, and wait to move on to 3 miles until you can run 2 miles in 16 minutes.

Is running in place effective as running on a treadmill ? The current world record for one mile is 3:43.13, set by Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco in 1999. Certainly not, but I'm enjoying the exercise, losing weight and feeling great about my new hobby. Is it dangerous to push yourself when running? I normally walk/run 5 mi/day, but have recently upped it to running most of it.

I don't judge anybody by their pace; Everyone gets a smile or a thumbs up when I cross paths with them. Put a few under your belt and then get a few more.

My brother was in track. 5'5" 106 lb [relax, i'm not underweight, I even checked with my doctor (:] I run 6-7 mph on the treadmill.

I was that way until I was taught my running technique was inefficient. It's nothing to be happy about, sorry. And then one day while lurking around here, I read thread basically asking what people's best running tips and advice were.

So using an 8 minute mile as some sort of performance or capability mark/measure of predicting injury doesn't really capture much.

Over all, he said, a 10-minute mile for a middle-aged man and a 12-minute mile for a woman suggest a good level of fitness. Still have questions?

Lots of people in this sub run every single day and have dedicated so much time to running but still don't run 8 minute miles and this is insulting to them and all of the hard work they've put in over the years. On the flip side, we know that track and cross country runners, many who possibly don't run slower than an 8 minute mile, are frequently getting all sorts of injuries. They should be thankful and learn. I agree with the information presented in the article about learning good form and the benefits of higher intensity training and how everyone could benefit from that but the notion that someone who can't run an 8 minute mile shouldn't be doing longer distances because they might get hurt is silly. Cookies help us deliver our Services. if you ran the mile in track then it a fairly slow time, a decent girls time is under 6min and many are 30+ seconds faster. I'm really curious now.

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I took up running again this summer and again this article floated through my head while I struggled. And I am getting much better at distance running and my pace is improving even without much conscious effort on my part to improve it. That is what this article is about. You know ultra runners who can’t run a mile under 8 minutes? Especially if you run track or if you're actually in shape. If you keep running you're time will defiantly get down to the 7's and with even more practice maybe sub 7's. Locally, I know of many marathoners, trail runners, and ultrarunners who can't break an 8 minute mile currently yet they are also just fine. Like maybe runners with good form are able to run faster, and not that running faster gives you good form? People shouldn't be insulted when they are told their technique isn't correct. A week later, I, struggling to run 1.5 miles 3 times a week, decide to extend my run to 2 miles. Are turkey trots going to be cancelled this year?

Realize that the author is not saying it like that. Two weeks later, I aim for 5 and end up doing 6. Honestly, it's not that great.

By his senior year, he was running a mile in 6 minutes 49 seconds and still couldn't place in the top 20 in competitions. Nothing about a 9 minute pace being a bad thing not bad but no that good either for the mile i run it in about 5 and girls run it pretty fast to. Mile run times by age group Again and again I see the advice "most of your miles should be at an easy pace" (and that has worked great for me).

Instead I think promoting good form and getting in touch with your body to take good care of it is better than going for some number. No. When I say plodder, I do not mean someone who runs slow. He flat out says "running quantity has trumped quality for a long time". Anyhow, if you just beginning, great! The 8-minute mile rule is a fantastic way to work on weak spots and create efficient running form, all while progressing quickly and safely. The most important thing for a beginning runner to do is simply run.

Is 8min mile the golden standard? Practicing/training something over and over again with incorrect form/technique is usually why people don't progress at something or get hurt. The controversial thing about this article isn't the number "8 minutes". You build a base of mileage which then gives you a foundation to start doing speed work. I don't care how fast or slow someone runs...I just want them to run in a way that prevents injury and for them to get the most out of the sport that I love. It's the school of thought that you should start off training for speed rather than distance.

Dr. Berry notes that fitness varies greatly with age and sex, and that mile-time estimates are just easy benchmarks for patients and doctors to begin a discussion about fitness. Go out and get those miles.

You may not think a 10 minute mile looks like good form, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

He is saying that in his experience when a runner cannot run an 8 minute mile the technique is not good enough to add lots of milage. And these are the people who will likely get sidelined with injury, or frustrated at the pain, and eventually quit.

But assigning an arbitrary pace as the measure of that form and efficiency is just totally unnecessary, and really could stand as a huge deterrent in making people feel like they don't belong in the running community. I'm trying to shape up for track. Is a plus 30-minute 3-mile (with hills) any good? So using an 8 minute mile as some sort of performance or capability mark/measure of predicting injury doesn't really capture much. I mean someone who slaps down with each step and is doing extra damage to their muscles and frame. If you are going for the cross country team, that is a good start but as your lungs get stronger and your cardio level … A week after that, 3. If a 10-minute mile seems out of reach, start with a 12-minute mile and then work downward. a 5-6 minute mile is elite and a 7-8 minute mile is good-average for anyone. I wasn't able to run an 8 minute mile for a long time yet in the 6 years I've been running regularly never took more than a few days off despite completing a marathon, two halfs, a 10 miler, and a 5K before I broke an 8 minute mile.

I wouldn't be surprised though if once you get your weekly mileage up you will be able to go out and run one single mile at 8:00. I believe I came across it for the first time a bit over a year ago, when was just trying to get into running again for the second time since high school.

“As with anything in life, when you have a goal, you tend to work toward it,” Pugh … Why is it insulting? I was thinking about this article just a couple days ago on a run. More inside.

But for someone who trains consistently, isn't 8 min/mile very achievable?

yes it's good anything under 10 minutes is healthy or average.

soo..if you are improving that when you last ran a mile, than yes, it's good. I imagine there are many people out there, like myself, who became discouraged and quit (or never even started) after reading it. I think it's silly for someone to tell others to prioritize pace or distance or whatever if that isn't their goal and they're also not getting injured and are otherwise having a good time and getting health benefits. Sign up for a race. better than i can do haha :) but the more i run the better i get, and it should be that way for you too! By his senior year, he was running a mile in 6 minutes 49 seconds and still couldn't place in the top 20 in competitions. It might seem like a ridiculous thought at this point in time, but as you said you are getting better at distance and your pace is improving... and it will continue to as you add more miles. Among many great tips, one was simply "Slow down.".

Is it possible to do too much cardio(jogging)? This is completely backwards. How do you think about the answers? If you are going for the cross country team, that is a good start but as your lungs get stronger and your cardio level increases, you should quickly start seeing lower times. Elite marathon runners average a mile in around 4 to 5 minutes. I can kinda see what the guy is saying for distances shorter then 10k but there is no way I could hold that pace for 1/2 marathon of longer. I understand for out-of-shape person doing his/her first run can't do a 8min/mile. Not sure if this has floated around here recently but what do you think? There's a good article hiding in there, and it's true that if you look at the back of a race you see a lot of "plodders.". For me, this article is simply bullshit elitism.

keep practicing, youll get faster in no time especially once the seaosn starts and you can get in formal practices. Now I am doing 16 mile weeks and prepping for my first ever race, a 10k in October. Once you have built a decent base through strength development and speed work, you can start to expand the mileage. Couldn't there be some other explanation for that? This guy is basically saying that 100% of your miles should be at speed, and if you can't run a distance at high speed, you shouldn't run it at all. It sounds weird, but going slower than that actually becomes more difficult because my stride becomes choppy and bouncy instead of smooth.

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